New UCI Wheel Regulations

I’m surprised the Mavic R-SYS is on there. Kaboom!

I’m surprised the Mavic R-SYS is on there. Kaboom!

The test is not technically very relevant. I would not want to ride a 16 spoke 25mm rim wheel (i.e. R-SYS) but have no worries riding some carbon wheels that aren’t on the approved list. The rupture test needs to be relevant if it is going to be standard

The test is not technically very relevant. I would not want to ride a 16 spoke 25mm rim wheel (i.e. R-SYS) but have no worries riding some carbon wheels that aren’t on the approved list. The rupture test needs to be relevant if it is going to be standard

I suspect the relevant issue is one of liability- CA are saying that if you are riding non approved wheels and they do rupture, any damage resulting (eg. someone else’s Colnago) will not be covered by their insurance, and the owner of the wheel is responsible for it. I don’t think CT will be barred from racing the Northern Combine on his Edge wheels just yet, he just has to assume the risk. At Open and Championship level where there are commissaires, things are likely to be more strict.

The above mentioned list is for road- Mavic and Corima who are on the list don’t have their discs and 3,4 and 5 spokes, which are certainly OK for mass start races on the track.

I was warned for wearing bibknickers at the club teams track championships (and not just for poor fashion choice). The regulations are sometimes strange. Just wait til you do pursuits and TTs- prepare to jump through some hoops.

I suspect the relevant issue is one of liability- CA are saying that if you are riding non approved wheels and they do rupture, any damage resulting (eg. someone else’s Colnago) will not be covered by their insurance, and the owner of the wheel is responsible for it. I don’t think CT will be barred from racing the Northern Combine on his Edge wheels just yet, he just has to assume the risk. At Open and Championship level where there are commissaires, things are likely to be more strict.

The above mentioned list is for road- Mavic and Corima who are on the list don’t have their discs and 3,4 and 5 spokes, which are certainly OK for mass start races on the track.

I was warned for wearing bibknickers at the club teams track championships (and not just for poor fashion choice). The regulations are sometimes strange. Just wait til you do pursuits and TTs- prepare to jump through some hoops.

My Edge Composites 68′s are on the list. I’m just waiting for them to be banned because they’re so fast!

My Edge Composites 68′s are on the list. I’m just waiting for them to be banned because they’re so fast!

Its worth pointing out that Cycling Australia have amended the regulation, so that any all-metal wheel with at least 16 spokes comes under the definition of ‘standard’ – i.e. the 25mm rim requirement and 2.4mm spoke requirement do not apply.

Their website also states that the rule will apply to ‘mass start road racing’, so it would seem that track is exempt (but who knows…)

Its worth pointing out that Cycling Australia have amended the regulation, so that any all-metal wheel with at least 16 spokes comes under the definition of ‘standard’ – i.e. the 25mm rim requirement and 2.4mm spoke requirement do not apply.

Their website also states that the rule will apply to ‘mass start road racing’, so it would seem that track is exempt (but who knows…)

What about custom builds? I am running Kinlin XR20 rims which are 22mm, Sapim X Ray spokes, 20/24 and Extralight hubs?

What about custom builds? I am running Kinlin XR20 rims which are 22mm, Sapim X Ray spokes, 20/24 and Extralight hubs?

Yes, metal hub, metal spokes to metal rim, regardless of rim depth. Is a “standard wheel” unlike a “traditional wheel” which must be less than 2.5cm.

But what happens with Fulcrum Racing Zero wheels? The front 16 spoker is on the list, the rear 21 spoker isn’t. Now it is a metal rim with metal spokes but a composite hub, so doesn’t pass the traditional or standard wheel qualifiers.

What about a PowerTap hub laced to a mavic open pro? Less than 2.5cm, built it with 32 spokes, but the hub is composite and has non structural plastic on the non drive side. Where does that leave people racing with powertap wheels?

It’s a crazy incomplete list and ruling.

Yes, metal hub, metal spokes to metal rim, regardless of rim depth. Is a “standard wheel” unlike a “traditional wheel” which must be less than 2.5cm.

But what happens with Fulcrum Racing Zero wheels? The front 16 spoker is on the list, the rear 21 spoker isn’t. Now it is a metal rim with metal spokes but a composite hub, so doesn’t pass the traditional or standard wheel qualifiers.

What about a PowerTap hub laced to a mavic open pro? Less than 2.5cm, built it with 32 spokes, but the hub is composite and has non structural plastic on the non drive side. Where does that leave people racing with powertap wheels?

It’s a crazy incomplete list and ruling.

Have you looked at the September 1st post from CA again? They’ve modified it silently so there is now a ‘traditional’ and ‘standard’ wheel and 1.3.018 listed has been changed again to include a depth requirement (the font even looks dodgy from the edit).

There are now 3 ammendments listed from the board, with 2 of them conflicting.

Have you looked at the September 1st post from CA again? They’ve modified it silently so there is now a ‘traditional’ and ‘standard’ wheel and 1.3.018 listed has been changed again to include a depth requirement (the font even looks dodgy from the edit).

There are now 3 ammendments listed from the board, with 2 of them conflicting.

According to Cycling Australias Amendment on their website, they have altered the ruling slightly over the UCI. The UCI rule is pretty black and white, must be less than 2.5cm tall – else must be crash tested, must be 16 or more spokes – else must be crash tested.

Under CA Tech Reg amendment on September 1st, they have allowed “ALL METAL” wheels to be approved. Irrespective of depth (43mm Velocity B43′s anyone?), as long as the spoke count is 16 or higher, and as long as the hub is “all metal”; you are good to go. That is what they define as a ‘Standard Wheel’.

This is a practical amendment as a Clydesdale athlete running 36 hole Velocity Deep-V, Dura-Ace hubs and double butted spokes makes for a suitable build. Under UCI rules, that wheel is non-standard (30mm rim) yet it would be stronger than a 36 hole Open Pro under the same athlete.

According to Cycling Australias Amendment on their website, they have altered the ruling slightly over the UCI. The UCI rule is pretty black and white, must be less than 2.5cm tall – else must be crash tested, must be 16 or more spokes – else must be crash tested.

Under CA Tech Reg amendment on September 1st, they have allowed “ALL METAL” wheels to be approved. Irrespective of depth (43mm Velocity B43′s anyone?), as long as the spoke count is 16 or higher, and as long as the hub is “all metal”; you are good to go. That is what they define as a ‘Standard Wheel’.

This is a practical amendment as a Clydesdale athlete running 36 hole Velocity Deep-V, Dura-Ace hubs and double butted spokes makes for a suitable build. Under UCI rules, that wheel is non-standard (30mm rim) yet it would be stronger than a 36 hole Open Pro under the same athlete.

Farrrck!!! This is ridiculous, how about a bit of warning!!

I just bought a new set of Bouwmeester carbon wheels that aren’t on the list!

I have just spoken to Mello at Bouwmeester and he has a few of his wheels in the queue for testing currently. It may take a couple of weeks or months though and costs him a few thousand per wheel set!!!

He had one of his sponsored riders race the Grafton on the weekend with no issues, so lets hope the enforcing of this rule is lenient at first!!

Apparently there is one lab in Belgium that does all of the tests and they are backed up massively, so this could take a while to resolve.

They only test the front wheel, so not sure what the issue with the rear Fulcrum Zero wheel is????

I’ll try racing on my new wheels this weekend and see what happens!!!

Farrrck!!! This is ridiculous, how about a bit of warning!!

I just bought a new set of Bouwmeester carbon wheels that aren’t on the list!

I have just spoken to Mello at Bouwmeester and he has a few of his wheels in the queue for testing currently. It may take a couple of weeks or months though and costs him a few thousand per wheel set!!!

He had one of his sponsored riders race the Grafton on the weekend with no issues, so lets hope the enforcing of this rule is lenient at first!!

Apparently there is one lab in Belgium that does all of the tests and they are backed up massively, so this could take a while to resolve.

They only test the front wheel, so not sure what the issue with the rear Fulcrum Zero wheel is????

I’ll try racing on my new wheels this weekend and see what happens!!!

Clarky, I feel your pain. I’m in similar position. I feel even more for Mello as he is essentially about to get his balls chopped off! It is reassuring to hear that Pell rode the wheels at the Grafton and teams have been on them at other NRS events.
Note the CCCC website: ‘enforcement of this regulation will be policed in a similar fashion to the regulation concerning use of Australian Standards approved helmets’. Personally, I have never had my helmet checked, so is it similarly unlikely that my wheels will get checked? Has anybody to date been told by a commissaire that they can’t ride their wheels?
If this rule is to be enforce holis bolis, how will it be done logistically at races? Lets take the Melb-Warnambool as an example. Hypothetically out of a field of 200 riders, let’s say 30 may have non UCI compliant wheels. Are the commissaires going to just check one or two sets in the entire field, or will there be mass inspections of wheels at open/club races? Are CA willing to withdraw/DQ 20% of the field? Surely commissaires already have enough to do on race day.
In the world of compliance based on insurance requirements have CA been obligated to publish this in order to meet their insurance needs? I hope so.
There are just so many grey areas with this. If CA decide to enforce this rule to the letter of the law, there is the potential to massively hurt two groups of people.
1) Small locally based manufactures who have had the balls to go out on a limb, set up a business and produce carbon wheels. Apparently the testing procedure is done in Belgium and costs thousands of Euro. How are small locally based producers (Bouwmeester/Gravity Zero) expected to send a large number of wheel sets to Belgium along with thousands of euro? Small businesses run of an oily rag, it’s going to break them.
2) Consumers who have decided to support a small business rather than purchase wheels made by a large manufacture from Wiggle or PBK. Over the past 12 months the number of riders racing on wheels from locally based manufactures has increased markedly, have all of those people now essentially wasted their money?
Are there any commasaires out there who may be able to elaborate on how they will be approaching this rule?

Clarky, I feel your pain. I’m in similar position. I feel even more for Mello as he is essentially about to get his balls chopped off! It is reassuring to hear that Pell rode the wheels at the Grafton and teams have been on them at other NRS events.
Note the CCCC website: ‘enforcement of this regulation will be policed in a similar fashion to the regulation concerning use of Australian Standards approved helmets’. Personally, I have never had my helmet checked, so is it similarly unlikely that my wheels will get checked? Has anybody to date been told by a commissaire that they can’t ride their wheels?
If this rule is to be enforce holis bolis, how will it be done logistically at races? Lets take the Melb-Warnambool as an example. Hypothetically out of a field of 200 riders, let’s say 30 may have non UCI compliant wheels. Are the commissaires going to just check one or two sets in the entire field, or will there be mass inspections of wheels at open/club races? Are CA willing to withdraw/DQ 20% of the field? Surely commissaires already have enough to do on race day.
In the world of compliance based on insurance requirements have CA been obligated to publish this in order to meet their insurance needs? I hope so.
There are just so many grey areas with this. If CA decide to enforce this rule to the letter of the law, there is the potential to massively hurt two groups of people.
1) Small locally based manufactures who have had the balls to go out on a limb, set up a business and produce carbon wheels. Apparently the testing procedure is done in Belgium and costs thousands of Euro. How are small locally based producers (Bouwmeester/Gravity Zero) expected to send a large number of wheel sets to Belgium along with thousands of euro? Small businesses run of an oily rag, it’s going to break them.
2) Consumers who have decided to support a small business rather than purchase wheels made by a large manufacture from Wiggle or PBK. Over the past 12 months the number of riders racing on wheels from locally based manufactures has increased markedly, have all of those people now essentially wasted their money?
Are there any commasaires out there who may be able to elaborate on how they will be approaching this rule?

Good point re. the Powertap – but the structural part of the hub is metal (the flange, etc), so I can’t see it being a problem.

Good point re. the Powertap – but the structural part of the hub is metal (the flange, etc), so I can’t see it being a problem.

True, it is a little confusing. I think they are just separating out the definition of a ‘traditional’ wheel, which could technically include something with a non-metal rim / hubs. Either way, I think 16-spoke all metal wheels are fine.

True, it is a little confusing. I think they are just separating out the definition of a ‘traditional’ wheel, which could technically include something with a non-metal rim / hubs. Either way, I think 16-spoke all metal wheels are fine.

You can’t see it being a problem, but CA’s wording is “manufactured entirely of metal” which the powertap clearly isn’t (don’t forget the SLC+ is a carbon shell surrounded by metal).

Not saying it would should be or would be earmarked for relegation, but it’s the ‘clarity’ of the issue at hand which is the problem.

You can’t see it being a problem, but CA’s wording is “manufactured entirely of metal” which the powertap clearly isn’t (don’t forget the SLC+ is a carbon shell surrounded by metal).

Not saying it would should be or would be earmarked for relegation, but it’s the ‘clarity’ of the issue at hand which is the problem.

My response would be (if I was a commissaire):

Pre Race Briefing – outline risk of liability of non conformant/non standard wheels. Have ‘the list’ published and available at registration, as well as the CA Technical amendment for “manufactured entirely of metal” comment.

Inspection of winners bike when they come to collect their prize/cash.

My response would be (if I was a commissaire):

Pre Race Briefing – outline risk of liability of non conformant/non standard wheels. Have ‘the list’ published and available at registration, as well as the CA Technical amendment for “manufactured entirely of metal” comment.

Inspection of winners bike when they come to collect their prize/cash.

Part of the test is to ensure that the hub doesn’t fall apart or enable the wheel system to come out from the fork – which implies a front wheel test. However the test should equally apply to the rear wheel. No part of 1.3.018 states that rear wheels are exempt from testing.

Part of the test is to ensure that the hub doesn’t fall apart or enable the wheel system to come out from the fork – which implies a front wheel test. However the test should equally apply to the rear wheel. No part of 1.3.018 states that rear wheels are exempt from testing.

Sweet! Lucky I’m a triathlete then… Please mail your now useless wheelsets to ….

:)

Sweet! Lucky I’m a triathlete then… Please mail your now useless wheelsets to ….

:)

Hi all,

I recently corresponded with CA regarding this rule, as I wanted to clarify which of my wheels was OK.

They stated that the CA amendment to the UCI regs is all about the ‘rims’ – so if you have (a) a metal rim of any depth, and (b) at least 16 spokes, then you are 100% fine.

The UCI ‘approved list’ kicks in if you have carbon (or carbon/metal) rims greater than 25mm deep (or of course if you have any wheels with less than 16 spokes).

On a slightly seperate issue – I think the issue isn’t whether or not this will be enforced prior to race start. I think its that you won’t be covered in a race situation by the CA insurance if you are using non-regulation wheels… That is what would concern me more…..

Cheers all,
Abby

Hi all,

I recently corresponded with CA regarding this rule, as I wanted to clarify which of my wheels was OK.

They stated that the CA amendment to the UCI regs is all about the ‘rims’ – so if you have (a) a metal rim of any depth, and (b) at least 16 spokes, then you are 100% fine.

The UCI ‘approved list’ kicks in if you have carbon (or carbon/metal) rims greater than 25mm deep (or of course if you have any wheels with less than 16 spokes).

On a slightly seperate issue – I think the issue isn’t whether or not this will be enforced prior to race start. I think its that you won’t be covered in a race situation by the CA insurance if you are using non-regulation wheels… That is what would concern me more…..

Cheers all,
Abby

this is such a crock!!
i just dropped over $2,000 on 202′s and tubs and all that. And they are not on the list? Most redicolous thing i’ve ever seen.
I do alot of racing and haven’t seen a wheel fail before. Only fail after a crash.
I’ll be racing on the 202′s when i want and if i get told off then they can get f’d

this is such a crock!!
i just dropped over $2,000 on 202′s and tubs and all that. And they are not on the list? Most redicolous thing i’ve ever seen.
I do alot of racing and haven’t seen a wheel fail before. Only fail after a crash.
I’ll be racing on the 202′s when i want and if i get told off then they can get f’d

I’ve had a Shimano wheel fail on 2 seperate occassions and I’m only 73kg!!!

I’ve had a Shimano wheel fail on 2 seperate occassions and I’m only 73kg!!!

Might have to jump on Ebay for some Zipp stickers!

Might have to jump on Ebay for some Zipp stickers!

The list isn’t for ‘strong’ wheels or or wheels that pass a strength test. It is for wheels that conform of a set of criteria POST failure.

So the wheels could be made out of egg shells, crack when you ride over a tooth pick and be rated for 45kg riders only; however if the pass the criteria POST failure, they are on the list.

At least that is my understanding.

The list isn’t for ‘strong’ wheels or or wheels that pass a strength test. It is for wheels that conform of a set of criteria POST failure.

So the wheels could be made out of egg shells, crack when you ride over a tooth pick and be rated for 45kg riders only; however if the pass the criteria POST failure, they are on the list.

At least that is my understanding.

I think it’s more of a liability letting triathletes loose and have them in road races then having a set of carbon wheels let go and cause injury!!!!! I mean seriously!!!!

I think it’s more of a liability letting triathletes loose and have them in road races then having a set of carbon wheels let go and cause injury!!!!! I mean seriously!!!!

@racer-dude.

Mate, in some reporting of recent Ausbike tradeshow, it said the Zipp reps were specifically asked about UCI-compliance of the Zipp 202.

Apparently, the 202′s have been submitted for testing, and they are just waiting for the UCI tick. So don’t panic, your 202′s will be (eventually) fine….

@racer-dude.

Mate, in some reporting of recent Ausbike tradeshow, it said the Zipp reps were specifically asked about UCI-compliance of the Zipp 202.

Apparently, the 202′s have been submitted for testing, and they are just waiting for the UCI tick. So don’t panic, your 202′s will be (eventually) fine….

A little off topic, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe local carbon wheels are manufactured in Asia & assembled in AU.

I’d be pleasantly surprised if there were any manufacturers in AU producing carbon components.

A little off topic, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe local carbon wheels are manufactured in Asia & assembled in AU.

I’d be pleasantly surprised if there were any manufacturers in AU producing carbon components.

thanks Abb, that is a relief

One other thing that concerns me with the new rules is how they say that all wheels of a particular type are fine to use……

for example
If i have an 8yr old Zipp 404 which is obviously a very different wheel to the 2009 range of Zipp 404, how do i know if it’s legal??
I’m sure an 8yr old Zipp 404 of a completely different make would break in a completely different way to how the 2009 Zipp 404′s would break.

So have they tested every version of Zipp 404 that has ever been produced, or are the ’09 range the only legal wheels??

These new rules don’t make alot of sense are are going to cost the sport large amount of dollars, and as others said, smaller manufacturers have no chance.

Why is this rule being implemented before alot of manufacturers have even had an opportunity to get their wheels tested. Unbelievable!!

thanks Abb, that is a relief

One other thing that concerns me with the new rules is how they say that all wheels of a particular type are fine to use……

for example
If i have an 8yr old Zipp 404 which is obviously a very different wheel to the 2009 range of Zipp 404, how do i know if it’s legal??
I’m sure an 8yr old Zipp 404 of a completely different make would break in a completely different way to how the 2009 Zipp 404′s would break.

So have they tested every version of Zipp 404 that has ever been produced, or are the ’09 range the only legal wheels??

These new rules don’t make alot of sense are are going to cost the sport large amount of dollars, and as others said, smaller manufacturers have no chance.

Why is this rule being implemented before alot of manufacturers have even had an opportunity to get their wheels tested. Unbelievable!!

what if i got ceramic bearings. or non-metal bearing seals?? That’s apart of the hub and not metal.

what if i got ceramic bearings. or non-metal bearing seals?? That’s apart of the hub and not metal.

is there a list of wheels that have failed the testing rather than guess which are queued up for testing in Belgium?

is there a list of wheels that have failed the testing rather than guess which are queued up for testing in Belgium?

Join the vets. Great racing, lots of carbon bling, lots of guys who know how to ride, and no UCI to waddle in and frig it all up on some whim.

It’s time we voted with our legs, vote of NO CONFIDENCE for the UCI.

Join the vets. Great racing, lots of carbon bling, lots of guys who know how to ride, and no UCI to waddle in and frig it all up on some whim.

It’s time we voted with our legs, vote of NO CONFIDENCE for the UCI.

Has there been a precedent in the past of failing wheelsets to warrant all this effort? It seems to me to be a bit of a non-issue, and a LOT of effort.

Has there been a precedent in the past of failing wheelsets to warrant all this effort? It seems to me to be a bit of a non-issue, and a LOT of effort.

Racer dude while not an expert on the UCI rule itself what you are asking about there is a compliance issue, usually when a mechanical part is deemed compliant, usually that compliance will cover the range (404) up to 7 yrs pre or post compliance potentially with some caveats around certain technical/manufacturing specifications which also assumes the manufacturing process has not changed drastically over the preceding years blah blah blah.

I also would not think the commisaires will ask for a proof of purchase to determine date of acquisition/manufacture they would more than likely look at the wheel and tick a box that says Zipp 404 compliant and off you go.

I would not get to heated up about this at all if the box is ticked the job is done.

In relation to your last question well who ever would have thought to put the horse before the cart that would be silly and logical.

Racer dude while not an expert on the UCI rule itself what you are asking about there is a compliance issue, usually when a mechanical part is deemed compliant, usually that compliance will cover the range (404) up to 7 yrs pre or post compliance potentially with some caveats around certain technical/manufacturing specifications which also assumes the manufacturing process has not changed drastically over the preceding years blah blah blah.

I also would not think the commisaires will ask for a proof of purchase to determine date of acquisition/manufacture they would more than likely look at the wheel and tick a box that says Zipp 404 compliant and off you go.

I would not get to heated up about this at all if the box is ticked the job is done.

In relation to your last question well who ever would have thought to put the horse before the cart that would be silly and logical.

My Corima Aeros are ok according to that list but when will they learn that 90% of those who race do so via their own pocket. So when you implement a new regulation like this one, you are not impacting on the Pros who eat through wheels like weet bix but those who work hard, save, beg to be able to afford a set of racing wheels. Telling them that their 2k plus wheels are not permitted is yet again another fine example how regulators fail relate to the majority of competitive cyclist.

My Corima Aeros are ok according to that list but when will they learn that 90% of those who race do so via their own pocket. So when you implement a new regulation like this one, you are not impacting on the Pros who eat through wheels like weet bix but those who work hard, save, beg to be able to afford a set of racing wheels. Telling them that their 2k plus wheels are not permitted is yet again another fine example how regulators fail relate to the majority of competitive cyclist.

hmmm – those Nippon Mitsubishi Oil Corporation wheels sound sexy.

hmmm – those Nippon Mitsubishi Oil Corporation wheels sound sexy.

I just rang Shimano Aust, as I have just purchased some RS-80 carbon laminate wheels that are not on the list. They said that they have recently had them approved along with a number of others that are not shown on the current UCI list.

Although this may not help things if in my next race i get a podium finish and I have to argue that they are not on your list but on Shimano’s one….hmmm (actually I will be more concerned if I end up in an accident then on the podium. I am still holding back on winning as I havnt mastered how to salute like a pro yet)

I just rang Shimano Aust, as I have just purchased some RS-80 carbon laminate wheels that are not on the list. They said that they have recently had them approved along with a number of others that are not shown on the current UCI list.

Although this may not help things if in my next race i get a podium finish and I have to argue that they are not on your list but on Shimano’s one….hmmm (actually I will be more concerned if I end up in an accident then on the podium. I am still holding back on winning as I havnt mastered how to salute like a pro yet)

Gerro will be back in a few weeks. We’ll get him out to teach us the finer details of the victory salute. His first TdF one wasn’t very pro, but he’s getting better…

Gerro will be back in a few weeks. We’ll get him out to teach us the finer details of the victory salute. His first TdF one wasn’t very pro, but he’s getting better…

Rules and regulations are put in place for a reason, to protect us as riders. I know we are all a little bit p@#sed our carbon wheels can not be used in races even though they have not broken in any way but I am sure there are wheels somewher eon the planet which have and as a result we now have a new law.

If you were Graham O’Bree you could feel hard done by but this rule is for everyone. I am sure it would be more useful to the cycling community if we were more forceful with people who ran red lights on their bikes or we made a stand against doping. I for one are sick of the negative press cyclist get about these two topics.

Rules and regulations are put in place for a reason, to protect us as riders. I know we are all a little bit p@#sed our carbon wheels can not be used in races even though they have not broken in any way but I am sure there are wheels somewher eon the planet which have and as a result we now have a new law.

If you were Graham O’Bree you could feel hard done by but this rule is for everyone. I am sure it would be more useful to the cycling community if we were more forceful with people who ran red lights on their bikes or we made a stand against doping. I for one are sick of the negative press cyclist get about these two topics.

But they would catch a big ass Barramundi I bet!!! Clearly they should stick to fishing reels.

But they would catch a big ass Barramundi I bet!!! Clearly they should stick to fishing reels.

arrhhh but that is due to a well written article by Mr. CT. Maybe we could get him out on a few club races to give him more practice and to show us how its done. (and to check that his wheels are on the list…..)

arrhhh but that is due to a well written article by Mr. CT. Maybe we could get him out on a few club races to give him more practice and to show us how its done. (and to check that his wheels are on the list…..)

@Marchello

Mate, read the rules again. The Shimano RS-80′s do NOT need to be on the list, as their rim depth is 24mm. They are considered ‘traditional’ or ‘standard’ wheels…..

Remember – the ‘list’ is only needed for non-compliant wheels (ie. rim depth greater than 25mm, &/or less than 16 spokes).

@Marchello

Mate, read the rules again. The Shimano RS-80′s do NOT need to be on the list, as their rim depth is 24mm. They are considered ‘traditional’ or ‘standard’ wheels…..

Remember – the ‘list’ is only needed for non-compliant wheels (ie. rim depth greater than 25mm, &/or less than 16 spokes).

Personally, I reckon the roll out of this not so new “new” rule has been woeful [oops, I feel a soap box moment coming on].

I’ve not heard any mention of this rule at the recent club race briefings that I’ve fronted to and from my limited view of the world it appears that there has been no systematic process to reinforce the message out there on the ground. Please, let me know some positive action is in train.

People only really learn through the result of action. If you fronted to a race and were put on notice that you must race with compliant wheels, you then win topping it off with a Gerro style salute but then the commissaires DQ you because you won using some obscure deep dish carbon hoops from Mr Wong’s factory in Taiwan plus cop a fine, with the threat of licence suspension for repeat offences – in that world, the cycle racing community would really take notice.

In reality, the job of policing is enormous. The trick is how to target your efforts. Juniors are rolled out and they still get out to race so equipment checking is manageable. However the issue at play with non-standard wheels is rider safety not cheating. Which issue should get the priority?

IMHO it’s pretty poor to take a hands off the wheel approach. A rule made that is not enforced, is largely pointless.

I roll on with my UCI listed wheels or my hand built conventionals.

Personally, I reckon the roll out of this not so new “new” rule has been woeful [oops, I feel a soap box moment coming on].

I’ve not heard any mention of this rule at the recent club race briefings that I’ve fronted to and from my limited view of the world it appears that there has been no systematic process to reinforce the message out there on the ground. Please, let me know some positive action is in train.

People only really learn through the result of action. If you fronted to a race and were put on notice that you must race with compliant wheels, you then win topping it off with a Gerro style salute but then the commissaires DQ you because you won using some obscure deep dish carbon hoops from Mr Wong’s factory in Taiwan plus cop a fine, with the threat of licence suspension for repeat offences – in that world, the cycle racing community would really take notice.

In reality, the job of policing is enormous. The trick is how to target your efforts. Juniors are rolled out and they still get out to race so equipment checking is manageable. However the issue at play with non-standard wheels is rider safety not cheating. Which issue should get the priority?

IMHO it’s pretty poor to take a hands off the wheel approach. A rule made that is not enforced, is largely pointless.

I roll on with my UCI listed wheels or my hand built conventionals.

Anyone want to buy a set of reynolds assault full carbon clinchers? hardly used now going very cheap.

Anyone want to buy a set of reynolds assault full carbon clinchers? hardly used now going very cheap.

As far as I know, this is not a new rule. CA simply put out a memo to raise awarenes of an existing rule.
It has been stated in prvious comments, but people seem to be still missing the point. The rule is not about stopping wheel failures, it is about stopping dangerous fragments being produced and injuring riders when a wheel does fail.
I think this was the downfall of wooden rims in the early 20th century: when they failed, they would produce big, chest piercing splinters

As far as I know, this is not a new rule. CA simply put out a memo to raise awarenes of an existing rule.
It has been stated in prvious comments, but people seem to be still missing the point. The rule is not about stopping wheel failures, it is about stopping dangerous fragments being produced and injuring riders when a wheel does fail.
I think this was the downfall of wooden rims in the early 20th century: when they failed, they would produce big, chest piercing splinters

Did anyone watch the Grafton to Inverell on SBS today. There were a few non compliant wheels rolling in the A-Grade race.

Did anyone watch the Grafton to Inverell on SBS today. There were a few non compliant wheels rolling in the A-Grade race.

My understanding is that the traditional wheels must have steel rims, the RS 80′s are a carbon composite.

My understanding is that the traditional wheels must have steel rims, the RS 80′s are a carbon composite.

@Marchello.

No mate – that very reason is why I contacted CA directly with my query. A traditional or standard wheel (ie. one that does NOT need to be on the list) is ANY all-metal rim (no matter what depth), OR any rim with a depth less than 25mm.

So CA have effectively expanded the definition of a traditional/standard rim beyond the UCI definition.

@Marchello.

No mate – that very reason is why I contacted CA directly with my query. A traditional or standard wheel (ie. one that does NOT need to be on the list) is ANY all-metal rim (no matter what depth), OR any rim with a depth less than 25mm.

So CA have effectively expanded the definition of a traditional/standard rim beyond the UCI definition.

So, you’ll be racing for 10th place then? Not much point getting in the real results as state associations (CSV) have instructed clubs to exclude placings using non-compliant wheels.

So, you’ll be racing for 10th place then? Not much point getting in the real results as state associations (CSV) have instructed clubs to exclude placings using non-compliant wheels.

This rule has been in place since July 2000. Clearly, only some manufacturers have ignored it. Not Zipp.

This rule has been in place since July 2000. Clearly, only some manufacturers have ignored it. Not Zipp.

Not much good to juniors or elite level cyclists.

Not much good to juniors or elite level cyclists.

RS80s have a 24mm rim (same as 7850 C24s) and are therefore exempt from testing. They are unlikely to appear on the list.

Shimano test their own wheels inhouse, as do Trek, for UCI approval.

RS80s have a 24mm rim (same as 7850 C24s) and are therefore exempt from testing. They are unlikely to appear on the list.

Shimano test their own wheels inhouse, as do Trek, for UCI approval.

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…Still waiting to hear back from HED on the jet4 FRs i just bought… The Jet 6s, and 9s are on the list, so I suspect they will be fine, Bit of a pain in the bum though…

The renewed move to enforce this (old) rule is driven by the insurance companies. They take a view that insurance risk is increased unnecessarily if the insured competitors are not following the rules of racing (however silly), and under which the insurance company measures the risks.

The renewed move to enforce this (old) rule is driven by the insurance companies. They take a view that insurance risk is increased unnecessarily if the insured competitors are not following the rules of racing (however silly), and under which the insurance company measures the risks.

I know there has been a lot of fuss about wheels lately. I saw a guy on some awesome looking Carbon wheels a couple of weeks ago and followed him down Beach to Cafe Racer for a chat to find out where he got them. He happened to be the designer/ Importer. They were called Schnell and were around 11-1200 grams a pair. I left his card accidently at Racer. I will have to drop back there and see if the guys have his details. Aparently these wheels fall within UCI guidelines for racing. I'd love to get some. Does anyone know him and do you have his details? Cheers

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