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		<title>By: modcon</title>
		<link>http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2009/10/why-do-we-love-climbing/comment-page-1/#comment-6187</link>
		<dc:creator>modcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;d say if you have one, why not use it? unless you haven&#039;t trained on it that is ;). amy i think it&#039;s a bit of both- people who have the TT bikes probably also train on them and are half decent TTers. i borrowed some clincher zipps up there and pulled a time just out of top 10, probably could have benefited from further practice with TT bars, but that&#039;s life. the course isn&#039;t really hilly, not after the mornings stage at least. just a few power climbs/bumps. also depends on the wind, there was a tailwind on the return good for &gt;50kph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;d say if you have one, why not use it? unless you haven&#8217;t trained on it that is ;). amy i think it&#8217;s a bit of both- people who have the TT bikes probably also train on them and are half decent TTers. i borrowed some clincher zipps up there and pulled a time just out of top 10, probably could have benefited from further practice with TT bars, but that&#8217;s life. the course isn&#8217;t really hilly, not after the mornings stage at least. just a few power climbs/bumps. also depends on the wind, there was a tailwind on the return good for &gt;50kph</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you think it&#039;s worth carting the TT bike up there? I wasn&#039;t going to bother.. But maybe I will.. How is the course? Suited to a TT bike?

Maybe the fact the top times were recorded on TT rigs are just because those that are good at TTing own TT bikes? (or have some form of triathlon background and own one from that..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think it&#8217;s worth carting the TT bike up there? I wasn&#8217;t going to bother.. But maybe I will.. How is the course? Suited to a TT bike?</p>
<p>Maybe the fact the top times were recorded on TT rigs are just because those that are good at TTing own TT bikes? (or have some form of triathlon background and own one from that..)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the grades in the TT. It&#039;s certainly not flat. Well if people racing C grade can afford TT rigs good luck to them. The best I can do is maybe borrow some Durace 7850 clinchers to get some nice momentum.

Getting close!! :)

Be good to know who from here is going to be at the SKCC boot camp. Should organise a hello/beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the grades in the TT. It&#8217;s certainly not flat. Well if people racing C grade can afford TT rigs good luck to them. The best I can do is maybe borrow some Durace 7850 clinchers to get some nice momentum.</p>
<p>Getting close!! :)</p>
<p>Be good to know who from here is going to be at the SKCC boot camp. Should organise a hello/beer.</p>
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		<title>By: modcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>modcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah it was an interesting mix- some of the others in top 10 looked easily 80kg+ too. also, the second stage is made somewhat easier for those in posession of a time trial rig - i know some of top times were recorded on TT rigs. there are a lot of discrepancies bw riders in all the grades- we caught B grade riders for example, but the tail of C was quite far off the start.

anyway it&#039;s gonna be some wicked fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah it was an interesting mix- some of the others in top 10 looked easily 80kg+ too. also, the second stage is made somewhat easier for those in posession of a time trial rig &#8211; i know some of top times were recorded on TT rigs. there are a lot of discrepancies bw riders in all the grades- we caught B grade riders for example, but the tail of C was quite far off the start.</p>
<p>anyway it&#8217;s gonna be some wicked fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at the winner from last year, he won Stage 1 by 14 secs or so, and stage 2 by 2 mins. The finish is at the Bright-Harrietville Rd so I reckon it&#039;s a lot easier to maintain a gap on a breakaway than if you had to finish into Bright.

I&#039;m down to 60kg now, so it&#039;s all useful.

Your comment about A graders really confirms something to me. ALL races raced under a CA race license MUST go to a central scoring / rating repository and at open races like this, you are forced into your rated category, of course taking into account people who have been sick etc.

Interesting re: 81kg and finished top 10.  I&#039;m 60kg/5&#039;7&quot; so we&#039;ll see I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the winner from last year, he won Stage 1 by 14 secs or so, and stage 2 by 2 mins. The finish is at the Bright-Harrietville Rd so I reckon it&#8217;s a lot easier to maintain a gap on a breakaway than if you had to finish into Bright.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m down to 60kg now, so it&#8217;s all useful.</p>
<p>Your comment about A graders really confirms something to me. ALL races raced under a CA race license MUST go to a central scoring / rating repository and at open races like this, you are forced into your rated category, of course taking into account people who have been sick etc.</p>
<p>Interesting re: 81kg and finished top 10.  I&#8217;m 60kg/5&#8242;7&#8243; so we&#8217;ll see I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: modcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>modcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;ll need quite a bit of punch to get away; last year C grade there were one or two away and we caught them and overtook. and as for B graders dropping down, last year&#039;s top three were all A graders :). the climbing is tough, but not that tough, i&#039;m in at ~81kg 188cm and i finished top 10 after thinkin CRB hill was the top. oops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;ll need quite a bit of punch to get away; last year C grade there were one or two away and we caught them and overtook. and as for B graders dropping down, last year&#8217;s top three were all A graders :). the climbing is tough, but not that tough, i&#8217;m in at ~81kg 188cm and i finished top 10 after thinkin CRB hill was the top. oops</p>
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		<title>By: Tim M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. L&#039;Etape suffers from very poor timing in terms of fitting in with TdF schedule.

We got screwed last year by transfers and ended up parking in Maulacene, riding into Nyons, backward along the course (I&#039;ll never forget everyone looking at us like &quot;What le hell is going on&quot; and gendarmes trying to whistle us to stop) then ride with L&#039;Etape to the top, then descend down into Maulacene and drive to St Bourg Maurice for S16. Crazy times.

The Marmotte sounds AWESOME. Thanks for the heads up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. L&#8217;Etape suffers from very poor timing in terms of fitting in with TdF schedule.</p>
<p>We got screwed last year by transfers and ended up parking in Maulacene, riding into Nyons, backward along the course (I&#8217;ll never forget everyone looking at us like &#8220;What le hell is going on&#8221; and gendarmes trying to whistle us to stop) then ride with L&#8217;Etape to the top, then descend down into Maulacene and drive to St Bourg Maurice for S16. Crazy times.</p>
<p>The Marmotte sounds AWESOME. Thanks for the heads up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: I was sick all last week with this Nora virus. No eating for 4-5 days (I normally eat 6 times a day).

Result: down to 60kg. Bam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: I was sick all last week with this Nora virus. No eating for 4-5 days (I normally eat 6 times a day).</p>
<p>Result: down to 60kg. Bam.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CP: This is very interesting.  This will be my first open race (this was my first season racing) and I am busy formulating strategy with my team mates -- some of you will be competitors on the day no doubt (I&#039;m racing C grade).

We&#039;ve been musing over where/how to attack.  The false flat in the middle is interesting and a climber could lose time here IF there is a headwind.  I think if you take off and take 2-3 with you and roll turns, you can win it in the first third easily.

I&#039;ve taken off up the first 1/3 before, and been able to pace myself to the false flat and maintain a 30-35km/h speed through here to the entry gate.

It will be an interesting test of will and endurance to ignore heart race and race purely on will and body-feel, to keep up with those better, or dust off and sort out the lead group.  I&#039;ll be honest and say I hope to be in that lead group, but I could be over-judging my ability. Who knows. Depends how many solid B graders drop down I guess.

Of course, all strategy counts for nought in that one moment when your instinct must rule your actions.

It&#039;s going to be fun, I&#039;m getting nervous typing this!! :)

If you&#039;re up there, we should grab a beer after. Are you racing with SKCC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CP: This is very interesting.  This will be my first open race (this was my first season racing) and I am busy formulating strategy with my team mates &#8212; some of you will be competitors on the day no doubt (I&#8217;m racing C grade).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been musing over where/how to attack.  The false flat in the middle is interesting and a climber could lose time here IF there is a headwind.  I think if you take off and take 2-3 with you and roll turns, you can win it in the first third easily.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken off up the first 1/3 before, and been able to pace myself to the false flat and maintain a 30-35km/h speed through here to the entry gate.</p>
<p>It will be an interesting test of will and endurance to ignore heart race and race purely on will and body-feel, to keep up with those better, or dust off and sort out the lead group.  I&#8217;ll be honest and say I hope to be in that lead group, but I could be over-judging my ability. Who knows. Depends how many solid B graders drop down I guess.</p>
<p>Of course, all strategy counts for nought in that one moment when your instinct must rule your actions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be fun, I&#8217;m getting nervous typing this!! :)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re up there, we should grab a beer after. Are you racing with SKCC?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested to know what broke you in the end. Was it just a point that you said, &quot;that&#039;s enough&quot; and got off the bike.

I&#039;ve been to that point before, but never been able to quit.

In L&#039;Etape last year up the Ventoux, I was in serious trouble as I&#039;d done it twice in the previous two days, and we&#039;d just done around 150km at race pace in 35 degree weather.  Serious pain.

But it was a case of looking down and just pedalling. And pedalling.
The final couple of kays into the summit were horrible, and the only thing that kept me going was the horror at the thought of getting off, plus the fact I was still passing people.

The mind and your own will: are marvellous things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested to know what broke you in the end. Was it just a point that you said, &#8220;that&#8217;s enough&#8221; and got off the bike.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to that point before, but never been able to quit.</p>
<p>In L&#8217;Etape last year up the Ventoux, I was in serious trouble as I&#8217;d done it twice in the previous two days, and we&#8217;d just done around 150km at race pace in 35 degree weather.  Serious pain.</p>
<p>But it was a case of looking down and just pedalling. And pedalling.<br />
The final couple of kays into the summit were horrible, and the only thing that kept me going was the horror at the thought of getting off, plus the fact I was still passing people.</p>
<p>The mind and your own will: are marvellous things.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Do We Love Climbing? #cyclingtips blog &#171; Adelaide Cyclist</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AJS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple other European sportives to consider, Maratona dles Dolomites, Quebrantahuesos, La Marmotte.  La Marmotte takes on Col du Glandon, Col du Telegraphe, Col du Galibier and finishes at the top of Alpe d&#039;Huez.  The Maratona is broadcast live on RAI in Italy.  One advantage of the Maratona over the others ... you start and finish in the same place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple other European sportives to consider, Maratona dles Dolomites, Quebrantahuesos, La Marmotte.  La Marmotte takes on Col du Glandon, Col du Telegraphe, Col du Galibier and finishes at the top of Alpe d&#8217;Huez.  The Maratona is broadcast live on RAI in Italy.  One advantage of the Maratona over the others &#8230; you start and finish in the same place.</p>
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