The Hell Ride Bites Again

just don't ride it then. Simple. Your club requests that you don't- so why do it?

I haven't ridden the hell ride since one of the supposed pros lead out the sprint into 3rd lane – the one going the other way. A car appeared in the lane, so, from 3rd wheel, I yelled “car”, at which point he kicked again, directly towards the oncoming car, then swerved back in at the last second.

I can only think that he was trying to get someone killed – all so that he could win the sprint on a training ride.

Never found out exactly who this knob was – but supposed he was actually riding for the jelly belly team, whose kit he disgraced.

It’s quite ironic, that since the Hell Ride has begun to improve (ie stopping at red lights, keeping left) that there appears to be more crashes. I put this down to the fact that more riders can hang on for longer.

In my humble opinion (having done the ride for 15 years) what we need is some of the older and respected riders to make a proper stand during the ride about unacceptable practices.

Sprinting at the end of the Hell Ride and the North Road Ride is so becoming so ridiculously dangerous that someone will be killed. Only last Thursday one Muppet pulled out into the right lane to sprint at BP, forcing a blue ute to hit the brakes. Imagine if the ute driver had been changing the radio station!

Everyone needs to use their own brain and stay left. If you want to practice your sprint then go do intervals with your mates.

Bill Strickland actually discussed more or less the same issue in his most recent column on the Bicycling Magazine website.

These problems exist everywhere there is a hotbed of strong cyclists (whether Melbourne or the American northeast (greater Philadelphia and Boston areas from my experience) and people who want to be those next tier riders. In my circle of cycling friends, we just tend towards gearing our rides towards smaller groups, keeping them off Twitter and larger email lists and definitely not publishing them.
It feels wrong to aim towards exclusivity, but when it comes to my well-being and the well-being of my friends, I'll let the crashes take place at sanctioned events keep the training safe.

http://bicycling.com/blogs/sittingin/2010/04/30…

Surely this couldn't have happened this Saturday just past? Northern Combine had a handicap at Broadford, Eastern had a big race at Warburton, CSV had an open at Rutherglen and the Tour of Canberra is on. Anyone that imagines they are a road racer is fooling themselves if they were on Beach Rd on Saturday.

The main problem with the hell ride is that it is treated like a race. Being a training ride where any level of experienced rider can join in is a recipe for disaster especially in a sprint where testosterone over comes common sense. Lets face it, in any type of race there are going to be crashes no matter how experienced the rider but taking risks on a “training ride” where there are cars, non participating cyclists and pedestrians is utter stupidity.

There are at least two road races on every weekend during winter and countless races during the summer. Test yourself when it counts, against similar graded cyclists and under controlled conditions.

There is no need to participate in these types of rides. If you really have to, exercise common sense like CT and back off after the last kilometre. Act like a “tool” and suffer the consequences.

FYI I did my annual* beach road ride on Saturday, some time after the Hell Ride, and on the way back encountered an ambulance attending a rider down. The rider was in TotalRush kit and appeared to be riding with some other TotalRussians with a reasonable bike, so probably knows what he's doing. I just wanted to point out that Beach road is pretty dangerous whether you're doing the Hell Ride or not.

*annual: because it takes me a year to forget why I hate riding Beach Road and then I get suckered into joining some friends down there again. Give me Kinglake or Eltham or Warrandyte any day.

Good one Ritch, it seems crazy to go out on the hell ride when there are organised races to compete in. Of course your typical beach road “racer” would say that it would mean getting in the car and driving for at least an hour to get to any of them, it pretty much takes up your whole day. Its a fair point but like a man in Belgium once said to me “are you here for racing or cyclo touring?” Not everybody wants to make a day of it but if you do race the Northern Combine events at least the Holegate Brewery is on the way home!

He was most certainly one of the brothers of a well known cycling family in Melbourne. I'm pretty sure the same “pro” screamed at me a few years ago for calling and stopping at a red light in Frankston… on the Hell Ride.

Agree with Nat… if you've got any class, don't do the Hell Ride. Do the hills, organise your own ride.

Nat, Ritch & FZ comments say it all!

Chris Lee's takes the cake – “The hell ride is for hubbards.”

Lemmings ride Hell Ride!

To the organisers,
If you're reading this, you are a bigger pack of arseholes than any motorist group.
This seems pretty clear as far as I'm concerned. If the organisers wish to hold what amounts to a race every time they run the event, and on open roads, they should be held responsible for the injuries and possible fatalities that result. The riders acting like tossers should be de-registered if they hold licenses, and kicked out of their clubs as a result.
All the hard work that not only the AGF AND other groups around the world do in one year, is completely and irreversibly undone in one day by your stupidity.
Grow some balls and treat other road users with the respect that you spend half your lives balling about not getting.

Good on ya Dave. Glad to see you have the courage to speak your mind and put your name behind it.

I can't defend myself in saying that I'm not part of the problem. I attend the ride every once in a while and by doing it I'm part of it. Every time I do the hell ride I wonder why I did so. Just like a big night out on the piss, you quickly forget the hangover that follows.

Unfortunately there aren't any organizers behind the Hell Ride. There's probably only a small core group of people who do the ride on a regular basis. This means that there's no consistent leaders of the bunch, no one to enforce any etiquette, and no one to say that it's not going to happen anymore. It's just a time, place and route that's been passed on every weekend over the past 25 years.

It all seems pretty obvious. I particularly like Ritch's comment about there being that much “real” racing on – why would you think you were racing for anything at Black Rock when all the real talent had actually put their money down and strapped a number on!

I don't see why the clubs shouldn't take CA licences away from those that ride it? Surely the community is well connected enough that you can't hide for too long and word will get back to the club (who should be within their rights to refuse membership?). Other than that I'm not sure what you do about non-CA licenced riders, but I assume that once a few hot heads get cut down it may improve.

CT: “So what to do?”
If you are asking for advice Wade I think you answered your own question: You are a well respected voice of the Melbourne cycling community, you have (as you say) many friends that ride in the HR and everyone here seems to be in the same frame of mind. You should act, it may be unpopular but it will be the right thing to do.

The Hell Ride isn't the only issue. The North Road am rides end in sprints. The Col de Suburbs rides have degenerated due to a racing mentality. All this has happened in the last couple of years as the amount of people taking part in the rides increases. In short no ride on public roads should end in a sprint. The problem really comes down to people thinking a pro shirt and a pro bike equals a pro talent. It would seem the logical way forward is for the clubs to organise their own rides which are controlled with the exclusion of other riders. This will not always be popular (the SKCC am ride gets a bit of grief from people who don't like us telling them not to partake in the roll) but does allow the riders to control the speed/objectives of the ride.

I've never done the Hell ride, not from down that way. It seems obvious though that part of the allure is saying you hung with (or took on) the pro's or local gun riders.

I cant understand why those riders (the pro's and local elites) would want to associate them selves with this situation, if they showed some responsibility and stopped showing up then most of the hangers on would either have to find a 'proper' training ride, or go sip a nice cappuccino somewhere!

It certainly makes it hard to argue for cycling when this sort of thing is happening. I haven't ridden in a bunch ride for 15 years, but surely a ride with 200 participants is to big for public roads.

I have never done this ride only heard of it. But one way of combating it is if a club or CSV highjack it and make it a sanctioned race with all proper controls in place. This might ensure that 1/ the public see controlled racing and its benefits for all 2/ infiltrates the bunch and controls a bad situation 3/ Provides an outlet for those who would like to race on beach road. 4/ Sponsors and government and cycling would have another sporting venture to be promoted and it would have the status from its history that does not come from a new gig thought up by a promoter.

I like that your article starts by defending why you do the Hell ride and ends by asking for a defence for the Hell ride. I mean, Hypocrisy much?

I thought I saw a Hell Ride kit a couple of years ago?

The Hell Ride leaves from the same spot at the same time, can't be too hard for a few of the clubs to go down and speak to them or note their own riders who are there (against club rules)?

I've never done the Hell Ride and have no plans to do it… It just doesn't suit my training or my desire to remain upright. I have done the 5:45 NRR in the past and have no plans to return at this point because I'd like to remain rubber side down when I'm training. My opinion on these rides is that there are cyclists who do not ride within their abilities on these rides. It seems that some are so intent on staying with the bunch that they're on the limit and neglect, or lose awareness of, what's going on around them and ahead of them. We all know that we need to be watching as far up the bunch as possible to see what's happening, but when we're on the limit we're more likely to be focussing on the wheel in front and the pain we're inflicting on ourselves and thinking that we're having a good training session. When we're training effectively & safely at that intensity we should be in small bunches, solo or on the ergo/trainer at home.

@Dean this ride happens on public roads, it is highly unlikely that the local councils would approve a race on these roads.

Wade, I'm also wondering if it might be worth updating your description of the Hell Ride in your Melbourne Rides section.

It would be impossible to get a permit for it. and rightly so. Like someone else said, there were at least two other races on Saturday that I know of, if anyone thinks they are some sort of racer, then go enter them. End of story really. If you do the Hell Ride, you're a bloody idiot [just like the drink drive ad]

Jared,

I know for a fact that the Hell Ride will continue with or without me. I can't be responsible for other people's actions – even if they're my friends. I go on this ride once every couple months. I prefer the Dandenongs, Kinglake or racing.

I can do one of two things:

1. Never attend the Hell Ride again, bury my head in the sand, and be completely ignorant of the issues it's causing.
2. Attend every once in a while and so I can understand what's going on.

I'm leaning towards #1.

There are so many non-cyclists who really hate us and the Hell Ride etc give them all the more reason. As others have said “put a race number on”.

It starts with us. If we all regularly and strongly condemn our mates who participate then they will listen… I hope.

Wade is it worth considering removing the Melbourne Groups Rides section? Like it or not new readers will look at that page as an endorsement.

I understand, and whilst I'm not suggesting you take responsibility for what others do, yours is a voice that others take notice of.

I agree that it might be difficult to engage all councils involved but could it be possible to have rolling road closures to keep disruption to a minimum.
Yes there are other opportunities to race elsewhere, but there is obviously a want by cyclists to race on beach road. I don't know the answer but I can only think that if the current practice is not working then something else has to be done.
Poor high speed behavior is not just on beach road I have encountered it in shared bike paths with racer commuters using them as a training grounds.

I think it's worth having in the list of group rides, but with a big warning strongly discouraging anyone from participating. It has been updated today, but I think it could be more strongly worded.

For what it's worth, I discovered this blog thanks to that page.

Why don't they make the finish for the Hell Ride at the top of Rickets Point. A hill always sorts out the bunch! We all know this race is going to continue. Some minor changes to it can make it much safer for everyone.

Also, I think there needs to be new laws brought in that would allow the police to intervene and split large bunches up, especially ones that are traveling at over 40km/h.

Credit to you CT for owning up and talking about it like an adult. Takes a bit to confront it and write about it.

Plenty of riders would say “oh, that's just the hubbards, I ride it but I'm ok, responsible, etc etc”.

You can't legislate against idiocy as much as the Australian Government will try.

There is no easy answer.

To all those idiots that do the Hell Ride.
Think about the bigger picture.
The emotional effect on other riders and especially the injured riders families.
You might be safe this week and go home in one piece but what about next week……..

I also rode past this accident on saturday morning and it bought a reminder to me that my children and wife need me more that an ambulance officer does.

THINK ABOUT IT.

I took up road cycling in Canberra a few years back and was shocked to experience the state of bunch rides up here – similar sorts of issues… too many cyclists, riders pretending it was a race and riding all over the roads dangerously, cutting in front of cars, running red lights etc etc. I tried to do something about it, rather than stick my head in the sand – this included emailing and pleading with the local cycling clubs and the state authority to crack down on it, starting up (with my partner) a Novice Program and Novice Bunch Rides with an emphasis on safety, and running a Ride of Silence one year.

I have given up though, because of the appalling attitudes from the clubs and many riders – it's a culture of indifference and taking no responsibility, and a bit of selfishness too I think. No one is an official organiser of many of these riders so there's no one to take the blame, and the clubs wash their hands of it because the rides are unoffical and unsanctioned. Furthermore, many of the people of authority in the clubs/state bodies that I approached participated in the rides themselves, and I didn't get very much support from anyone in trying to make road riding safer when it came to training rides. It was very demoralising and I felt I was fighting a losing battle.

Also, from my several years of experience of helping to offically run a safe bunch ride – it's a hell of a lot of responsibility for one or a few people to take on, so I am not surprised that many of these rides are so unofficial. It's a lot of work to coach and teach people about safe riding, and to keep on reinforcing safety. I just got burned out.

I am a strong believer that for anything to change, the CA clubs need to take much of the responsibility to crack down on unsafe rides – they are the ones with the power to discipline members and lead by example. They need to run safe and fun cycling training and education for racing cyclists. State bodies like Bicycle Victoria, Pedal Power (ACT) and Bicycle NSW do a great job of promoting cycling/road safety, but a different approach needs to be taken for racing cyclists and bunch rides which have different issues and attitudes associated with them – surely this can only come from Cycling Australia and its affiliated state/territory clubs.

Funny timing, I haven't ridden the hell ride in years, but as I need to get home early I rode back with them last Saturday, it was a fairly sedate ride back but I pulled out before Charman Road as it is at that point they all go silly! Glad I did now! The fact that they now stop at lights and are not so strung out means that there is more riders in the sprint.

Just don't do it! Surely it's not that difficult? The ONLY compelling reason I can think for doing this ride is to show off your new toys, new kit, latest bit of carbon ceramic gizmo, new imagined strength (or not), or this weeks latest tribal kit colours (after having ditched the previous ones for a better deal), to the bunch. Talk about lemmings!!! Take a stand. Ride the path less cycled. Save your skin and help earn some respect for all of us.

There's a reason why legitimate and approved racing utilises industrial estates, off-street circuits and outer metro/regional areas. The reason being that racing in built up, heavily trafficked residential, retail and recreational areas is either recklessly unsafe for all involved (if roads open) or a disproportionate imposition on the majority for the wants of a minority (if roads are closed). As many other commentators have pointed out, we're lucky to have a wealth of opportunities to race and most of them are within easy driving or riding distance, so there's really no excuse. It seems peculiar to Melbourne that approaching a busy roundabout or a set of traffic lights is considered a perfectly reasonable 'sprint finish'. Bunch rides I've done in Brisbane and Adelaide have the hero line on a quiet back road away from shops and traffic and I can't remember ever seeing riders go down or crossing the centre line, etc.

True that. I am never going to do the ride. That's the easiest thing for me to do.

CSV should send someone who knows a lot of the registered riders to Black Rock on Sat at 7am and take down a list of names.
Suspension warnings should then follow in the mail with full suspension for repeat offenders. These bonehead riders don't have the common sense to not participate in a damaging “street” race so they should be removed from licensed races.

Hear hear.

And while they're at it, take along a couple of cameras.

I'm half tempted to suggest that the letters (and photos) should be cc'd to the managers of the teams where riders are in sponsored kit.

That said, if there's such a desperate need for a sprint at 7am on a Saturday morning to avoid a traipse out to Broadford or Warburton, why not organize a winter crit somewhere and be done with it?

Ummm, its called 'Hell Ride', not 'Nicey ride'.

Everyone has a choice, if you don't like it don't do it. If you're a bit of a nut, go for it. Whatever.

Just don't do it.
No one will miss you…

Ride with people you really know and trust.
They won't put your life at risk.

Ride in a smaller group.
You'll get a better workout (if you pull a turn)

It would be interesting to see how many riders would be there for the sprint, if everyone was made to do turns…

Remember “each to their own” next time you get buzzed by a P plater, and re-evaluate what their actions do for us. I know you don't have to condemn those idiots responsible, but they really do undo everyones hard work in trying to keep you safe

The trouble is that when somebody cleans up a pedestrian, or crosses the double white line and gets cleaned up by a car, the wider public isn't going to differentiate between participants in the Hell Ride and the 5,000 other cyclists on Beach Road on a Saturday morning.

Whether you like it or not, by putting on lycra and riding a road bike on Beach Road you're identified as part of a community, and as such your actions have consequences for the rest of us.

Footscray Cycling Club run crits through winter (http://www.footscraycc.com.au/index.php?id=54). It's good hard racing. The Drake Blvd circuit is awesome!

I think you've defined the problem. (And U19s had Aussie champs in NSW, U17s had Leongatha….)

A family friend works as a prison warden in one of Victoria's 13 prison networks. Get these Hell Ride idiots to spend one night (albeit dressed in lycra I might add) among the general population inmates and see if they reoffend.

Thats your meal ticket if you kill or injure someone on one of these rides. No fun!

A couple of cameras might just do the trick. If piccies were taken of the bunch at the start, during the ride and toward the finish by someone in a clearly marked Cyclesport Victoria vehicle, perhaps the threat of suspension would cause those with licences to think a lot harder about participating at all.

A couple of cameras might just do the trick. If piccies were taken of the bunch at the start, during the ride and toward the finish by someone in a clearly marked Cyclesport Victoria vehicle, perhaps the threat of suspension would cause those with licences to think a lot harder about participating at all.

It's the pack mentality, everyone wants to win and with a range of experiences someone is going to lose.

In some ways i think it can't be policed, it's too far gone … the experienced, the level headed, the skilled, the spokesperson, the PRO, all can't control it, it falls on deaf ears. Whilst its great to ride alongside the PRO's that ride it, they can equally set a bad example by participating.

The Hell Ride just ain't cool these days, too many Cav's not enough first places!

So is there an answer …. ?
• Cancel the ride – won't happen
• Close the road for a open ride – yeah right like that's going to happen
• Stagnate ride times by grade or experience – too hard to manage
• 'Captains of the Peloton' speak out – possible (takes one to show one)
• Participants speak up – possible, earns respect (see point above)
• Police presence – will deter, till you get around the corner
• Police escort (front & back) – interesting, very interesting!
• CSV take a stance for or against – ? possible
• Secret Hell Ride SMS starting point – needs a secretary, but smart for the hardcore
• Ban the racers – too hard to manage, ain't going to happen
• Ban the non-racers – too hard to manage, ain't going to happen
• Take photos – “ok I've got 7 world champions, 3 Tom Boonens, 4 Mapei and 8 HTC riders”
• Take photos – “ok I've got 1 guy wearing 'x' bike shop kit” hmmmm
• Rally the bike shops & clubs – interesting
• Create a local 'Hell NO Ride!' campaign – interesting!
• Bike registration – Hell No!
• Take it to a controlled/closed circuit – possible, but ain't that a race?
• Code of Conduct (signage & local campaign) – possible, the silent reminder
• Participate – I really should'nt, ok just this once
• Don't participate – I really should'nt, ok just this once
• Ride in a smaller group – this is fun and i don't feel as if i'm in as much danger
• Ride solo – Now you're talking!

No matter if it's the Hell Ride, or a bunch that's formed out of a few, there's still the sprint at St Kilda, Mordy or Frankston, the surges, the bad riders, the spills, the cars, the lemmings. Hell Ride is accidents and bad experiences multiplied!

Back to the pack mentality – You're right, there is only one definitive answer = You!

It's the pack mentality, everyone wants to win and with a range of experiences someone is going to lose.

In some ways i think it can't be policed, it's too far gone … the experienced, the level headed, the skilled, the spokesperson, the PRO, all can't control it, it falls on deaf ears. Whilst its great to ride alongside the PRO's that ride it, they can equally set a bad example by participating.

The Hell Ride just ain't cool these days, too many Cav's not enough first places!

So is there an answer …. ?
• Cancel the ride – won't happen
• Close the road for a open ride – yeah right like that's going to happen
• Stagnate ride times by grade or experience – too hard to manage
• 'Captains of the Peloton' speak out – possible (takes one to show one)
• Participants speak up – possible, earns respect (see point above)
• Police presence – will deter, till you get around the corner
• Police escort (front & back) – interesting, very interesting!
• CSV take a stance for or against – ? possible
• Secret Hell Ride SMS starting point – needs a secretary, but smart for the hardcore
• Ban the racers – too hard to manage, ain't going to happen
• Ban the non-racers – too hard to manage, ain't going to happen
• Take photos – “ok I've got 7 world champions, 3 Tom Boonens, 4 Mapei and 8 HTC riders”
• Take photos – “ok I've got 1 guy wearing 'x' bike shop kit” hmmmm
• Rally the bike shops & clubs – interesting
• Create a local 'Hell NO Ride!' campaign – interesting!
• Bike registration – Hell No!
• Take it to a controlled/closed circuit – possible, but ain't that a race?
• Code of Conduct (signage & local campaign) – possible, the silent reminder
• Participate – I really should'nt, ok just this once
• Don't participate – I really should'nt, ok just this once
• Ride in a smaller group – this is fun and i don't feel as if i'm in as much danger
• Ride solo – Now you're talking!

No matter if it's the Hell Ride, or a bunch that's formed out of a few, there's still the sprint at St Kilda, Mordy or Frankston, the surges, the bad riders, the spills, the cars, the lemmings. Hell Ride is accidents and bad experiences multiplied!

Back to the pack mentality – You're right, there is only one definitive answer = You!

I hope this is just you trolling Mezza, trying to fizz up things, because you sounds like a complete tosser with the attitude of a bogan stoner who is yet to grow up. I can bet you don't have any mates, because if you did you might actually care that other people are hurt and affected here by the actions of the Hell Ride.

Your attitude sounds like you would also like to repeal drink driving laws, speed restrictions, bike lanes and the 1 metre rule, etc.

We could just sit you there on your bean bag saying “whatever..” to the inevitable long list of riders and cyclists killed and injured.

1. It is on public road (remember the pedestrian killed a few years ago?). We have laws in our country.
2. The actions of these morons directly impacts on all cyclists, when drivers act aggressively towards me because they see the moronic behaviour of my 'fellow cyclists' in the hell ride just a few minutes earlier on Beach Road
3. Taxpayers' money is being wasted by having police cars and the helicopter having to monitor these muppets each time
4. The Hell Ride is putting all rider safety back years.
5. The police give race permits to clubs, for legitimate races. “Bad and illegal riding impacts negatively on cycling’s relationship with government, police and the general public,” Cycle Sport Victoria (CSV) said. “Obtaining race permits from the police is also greatly affected by the general community’s attitude to cyclists,” CSV said.

The pedestrian killed, and all the rest of us innocent cyclists adversely affected, don't have a choice.

No rules fighters have a choice.

Go join them.

I hope this is just you trolling Mezza, trying to fizz up things, because you sounds like a complete tosser with the attitude of a bogan stoner who is yet to grow up. I can bet you don't have any mates, because if you did you might actually care that other people are hurt and affected here by the actions of the Hell Ride.

Your attitude sounds like you would also like to repeal drink driving laws, speed restrictions, bike lanes and the 1 metre rule, etc.

We could just sit you there on your bean bag saying “whatever..” to the inevitable long list of riders and cyclists killed and injured.

1. It is on public road (remember the pedestrian killed a few years ago?). We have laws in our country.
2. The actions of these morons directly impacts on all cyclists, when drivers act aggressively towards me because they see the moronic behaviour of my 'fellow cyclists' in the hell ride just a few minutes earlier on Beach Road
3. Taxpayers' money is being wasted by having police cars and the helicopter having to monitor these muppets each time
4. The Hell Ride is putting all rider safety back years.
5. The police give race permits to clubs, for legitimate races. “Bad and illegal riding impacts negatively on cycling’s relationship with government, police and the general public,” Cycle Sport Victoria (CSV) said. “Obtaining race permits from the police is also greatly affected by the general community’s attitude to cyclists,” CSV said.

The pedestrian killed, and all the rest of us innocent cyclists adversely affected, don't have a choice.

No rules fighters have a choice.

Go join them.

I hope this is just you trolling Mezza, trying to fizz up things, because you sounds like a complete tosser with the attitude of a bogan stoner who is yet to grow up. I can bet you don't have any mates, because if you did you might actually care that other people are hurt and affected here by the actions of the Hell Ride.

Your attitude sounds like you would also like to repeal drink driving laws, speed restrictions, bike lanes and the 1 metre rule, etc.

We could just sit you there on your bean bag saying “whatever..” to the inevitable long list of riders and cyclists killed and injured.

1. It is on public road (remember the pedestrian killed a few years ago?). We have laws in our country.
2. The actions of these morons directly impacts on all cyclists, when drivers act aggressively towards me because they see the moronic behaviour of my 'fellow cyclists' in the hell ride just a few minutes earlier on Beach Road
3. Taxpayers' money is being wasted by having police cars and the helicopter having to monitor these muppets each time
4. The Hell Ride is putting all rider safety back years.
5. The police give race permits to clubs, for legitimate races. “Bad and illegal riding impacts negatively on cycling’s relationship with government, police and the general public,” Cycle Sport Victoria (CSV) said. “Obtaining race permits from the police is also greatly affected by the general community’s attitude to cyclists,” CSV said.

The pedestrian killed, and all the rest of us innocent cyclists adversely affected, don't have a choice.

No rules fighters have a choice.

Go join them.

Give me hills over the hell ride any day! Smaller groups, less traffic, sensible riders and beautiful scenery! The “race” mentality on public roads does nothing to help our cause.

The Tour de Suburbs ride is another ride I now avoid even though it's so close to home. Last time I did this ride the sprint up Doncaster Road had riders spread over two of teh three lanes….not good!

Ultimately cyclists need to vote with their cleats and partake in group rides they feel comfortable with. I do agree however that the Melbourne Rides page should be updated to perhaps reflect properly controlled rides only and not endorse rides like the Hell Ride.

Lastly, to participants in the Hell Ride, a “hellish” ride can be really hard but safe also. Don't believe me? Come try our Wednesday “Tour de Eltham” ride and you'll be swayed.

What is the Tour de Eltham start time/place? Distance?

So why dont all these “road racers” come out and actually have a race? Its not as if warburton is far away from melbourne. The course was great and only 87 riders turned up.
I stay away from beach road as much as I can. Sure, living ten minutes from the dandenongs gives you a great incentive not to hit the beach, but I cant see the appeal in stopping at traffic lights, car doors and lots of traffic.

The guy in the Hell Ride in 2007 who ran the red light and killed the pedestrian got a $400 fine.

The guy who crashed and broke his collarbone the other day has already posted his x-ray on Fyxomatosis.

Cool huh?

No offence to CT (I consider him a friend) but I doubt he has much voice in the HR bunch. Am I right? And I reckon most of the people commenting on this issue are all on the same page…ie, we're all preaching to the converted. I'm with option #1 CT. Can I suggest if you take that route then you remove the HR from your group ride's list?

It would be a lot safer if it was fixed no brakes only!

Hey, we're all entitled to our opinion… as I said before about “preaching to the converted” we all seem to agree and be patting each other on the back. It gets a bit boring. I was wondering when we might get another point of view.

Agreed Dave. I have absolutely no voice in that bunch. I've seen some pretty large personalities in the Melbourne cycling scene try and fail at gaining some control over that ride. I have no hope…

It needs an organizer then! And a governing body to enforce sanctions. If it really is as bad as everyone says (and I have no reason to doubt this) then someone or more preferably a group of people must stand up and take responsibility. Sure they are going to be unpopular and have to make some tough decisions and take disciplinary action at the outset but if it saves lives and encourages a better cycling ethos then in the long run… they'll probably be classed as saviors.

We've all been there, being herded along with a group and peer pressure, everyone thinking the same thing but nobody having the courage to speak out. Even if it starts out as some clandestine meeting of a few riders in a bar it sounds like something is brewing… Power in numbers guys!

Didn't they try something like this with hoon cars…….It just moved the problem elsewhere.
As for me, i'll be out racing as I did this weekend and the weekend before. I'm proud to say you can keep you Hell Ride to yourself!

I agree with sillyoldbugger get CSV and a few of the larger Clubs to do a few pictures and video at the start, middle, and the MAD print at the end of the Hell Ride.
Club members that are seen attending and riding in a dangerous manner, are given a years suspension from any racing and a nice BIG fine.
Maybe, just maybe then, people will realize what the Hell Ride and those who ride it are doing to cycling.

I hope the 'Russian' is OK, but it's an unfortunate misconception that riders who are well kitted out and on a top notch bike are good riders. In my (limited) experience, the most expensive bikes are owned by those that either a) totally dedicate their life to cycling and every spare cent or b) are middle aged blokes that also don't know how to drive their Porsches properly.
Unfortunately it's usually the unfit and inexperienced bunch riders that bring down the others that know what they are doing.
Aren't there two bike shops at Black Rock? Isn't one of them associated with a well known former international champion? Couldn't someone ask for her help?

While the Hell-Riders don't see that they need to change despite the damage they do for all other cyclists they need “help” to change so if naming & shaming is what it takes
“People really need help but may attack you if you do help them. Help people anyway.” Kent M. Keith

As I keep saying, hell ride is for hubbards. I was out doing a Warrandyte loop, no bunch carnage with muppets there.

Leigh De Luca;
been ridng the HR for 20yrs (14-33)
raced 6yr in the US
aust track medalest
state champion
11 aust madisons
10 bendigo madisons
2nd 4th 5th placed in austral over the yrs
raced all of the major road races around the country an d placed in plenty of them
still a competitive a grader placing during the summer

And I am the rider that is carrying the broken collarbone after saturday crash. This is the first fall I have ever had on beach rd in over 28yrs of competitive cycling and have riding on beach road for 22yrs (with my dad when i was younger)

After seeing Marcus Schnell and Matt Bowen's aftermath from a crash a few weeks back on the HR, myself and the group of friends I ride with all had a couple of weeks away from the HR. We had discussed how it wasn't fun like the old days, it was just not a relaxing ride and how the ability level of riders was the very issue that caused some of the dangers. But I returned, as many keep on doing.

To all of the keyboard warrior, just relax in a bit. I have seen some of the worst that the HR has thrown up over the years, the red lights, forth lane wrong side of the road sprints, car wheels arces being held onto so riders get a head start in a sprint or easy ride up hills. The HR of today has improved considerably. Could it be better? Of course, no doubt!!! And I commend anyone who help improve it in any way.

But just as the government spends hundreds of millions of dollars on Speeding and Drink Driving campaigns, people still speed and drink and drive. And you can not control all bike riders out on the open road. We've stopped at ped crossings on beach rd only to have another rider run the light. We can't control all around us.

To “ambulance chaser” that x-ray was sent to Andy in a private email, we have discussed images of my helmet from the accident to show how useful they are etc. The x-ray isn't a bragging issue, I've got plenty to brag about in my riding ability, so pull you head in. I have also been trying to find a contact for the other rider whom feel and has suffered facial injuries.

Anyone who'd like to discuss this with me, contact cycling tips and he can forward it to me.

The Hellride gets its kudos from the pros. if the pros didn't ride it, it'd be known as a once famous, now stupid ride done only by numpties. But each summer they come back and everyone wants to say they dropped [##] up Oliver's. So it keeps its credibility, in spite of all the evidence.

I didn't used to agree to the CSV urging licensed riders to stop riding it; I have recently. Every good rider that rides it adds to its credibility, and makes the numpties more likely to want to ride it and be there sprinting at the end. Ultimately, though, whether it's the Hellride or the NRR or Full Gas or whatever, there will always be riders drilling it at the front and others taking risks and breaking rules to hold the wheel. It's up to us to call out a stupid move and not join in the dickheadery.

Go race on the weekends if you want a hard riding session, why bother doing the Hell Ride any more? I've had my share of close calls on this ride, but luckily have never fallen. Based on these latest crashes, no more Hell Ride for me.

To those who continue to do this ride, do you realise that you get cash if you win a real race??? Look at it a rather simple way, if you love your bike then go race, win some money and buy some more gear!! I managed to pocket $400 this past weekend from racing, looks like I'm getting some carbon something's, to go with my other carbon things……I'm going to look so pro!!

Keep up the good blog WW, and people should maybe read some of these blogs a little more. Feel like a hard training session, go do an Ergo with Crowie, forget about the Hell Ride.

Theres no credibility to ex pro's running Reds and blindly sprinting each other into traffic. I don't seem to recall the Wallabie's tackling nanna's on the footpath after practice. I expect 'pro's' to lead by example as do the rest of us and I'm sure Cycling Australia would share the same view

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All the talk about 'sprinting' on beach road and good points made re: participating in closed races, makes me think about the same situation and cars. We get upset at the idea of people racing each other in their cars on public roads and have the necessary laws in place to deal with it. If you want to race a car, get a license and hit the track. Why don't we think the same way about 'racing' our bikes on any public road. Just because breaking the speed the limit isn't usually an issue with bikes, it doesn't attract the same scrutiny but as we've seen before, bikes can harm and even kill. Beach Rd is a unique public road that enables relatively unfettered road for'training' rides. 'Race' on it and we'll all suffer the consequences.
The Hell Ride hurts all cyclists and cycling.

The rider with facial injuries after going over the other riders is fine, some tooth chipping and a couple of stitches from glasses lens otherwise probably more comfortable than yourself. He is also an experienced road and track rider of a number of years and had no where to go when the crash occurred in front of him. The crash was due to loss of nerve after bars made contact with the inside of my elbow. Not sure who it was but getting a little close for a casual ride. The ride is good for getting some good speed work into your legs and be home by 9:30am, crashes aside there needs to be more ettequite in most bunch rides these days due to the fast increase in popularity in the sport with riders no longer being “educated” by the senior riders as we were when I was racing as a junior. But then again that goes for general society these days so what can you do?

Here is the slogan, borrowed from an above contributer “PUT A NUMBER ON” Lets make stickers and posters with that slogan :)

You make a great point. Senior riders “educating” others when you were racing as a junior. Thanks for highlighting that you learnt your skills while you were “Racing”. I think that we are all in the same boat here. Racing shouldn't be happening on a training ride out on the open roads with pedestrians and cars. I consider myself a fairly experienced rider having raced BMX from a very early age where there is no end of bumps and crashes, but on the weekend while racing at Broadford I was still able to learn more from the people around me during the race. There is nothing to learn from trying to beat a PRO on a training ride but there is from racing your peers in a controlled racing environment

HI there.

Some things to get out of the way – obviously, bad luck that you crashed, and good news that it's just a broken collarbone. And clearly, you have more cycling ability in your little toe than I've got in my entire body, and have forgotten more about the sport than I'll ever learn.

But I'm not sure that you're acknowledging the broader political context here. Fairly or unfairly, the Hell Ride gives cycling, and Beach Road cycling more particularly, a bad name. Nobody outside cycling has heard of the Tour de Burbs (which in my limited experience can have some hairy moments) or the North Road Ride, but the Hell Ride has a reputation in the media as an engineless version of the Hell's Angel's on tour.

The various bicycle advocacy organizations are working on a number of things that a) will keep us free to enjoy our sport, and b) improve our safety while we do so. Locally, it's Beach Road clearways. On a national scale, the meter matters campaign by the Amy Gillett Foundation. For these to succeed – and, even more, to keep the “make'em wear number plates and keep them off Beach Road” crowd at bay – being seen to be good law-abiding citizens is important. That's particularly the case for those involved in competitive cycling.

If it's just the individual risk, I'd say it's just a matter of making your own mind up. But every time you put on your lycra and go for a ride -particularly in prominent places like Beach Road, and particularly for somebody with such a list of achievements in the sport – you're an ambassador for road cycling. You may not want to be, but you are.

I hope this explains my hardline position. Hope your collarbone mends soon, and maybe meet you out on the road some time (though I'll be doing pretty well if I can hang on to your wheel for a few minutes).

To lsdsnr you can sprout all the crap you like about your experience but whilst ever your attitude is to shrug your shoulders and take the everyone else does it ideal dont even think about trying to take some sort of moral high road. You want to make a difference simple when your collar bone is fixed dont turn back up in 6 weeks time.

Have to say that spreading the image via twitter to your followers http://tweetphoto.com/20597166 doesn't really help your comment “The x-ray isn't a bragging issue”

Nice write up CT – as usual, you have struck a chord (are in tune) with the cycling community.

The volume of great comments and feedback above suggest that many people can clearly see the same issues. It would seem that the vast majority of riders (who read CTB) agree with your position.

SKCC strongly agrees that the Hell Ride is a danger to its participants AND to the image of cycling in Melbourne. The challenge for the cycling community (as amorphous as it is): How can we use this level of agreement to help change the situation before the next fatality?

Hey – why doesn't an earlier Hell Ride kick off at 645 and take the same course?

The 0545 north road ride is heaps safer that the 6am ride because you generally get a person calling people into turns. No one seems to tolerate riders attacking in that ride – so it's 2 abreast upfront. which is great. and you can smash yourself.

Make any public road sprint, that “just has to continue”, finish up a 10% gradient.

That should slow them down some ;-)

In all seriousness though, there's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said.

The Tour de Eltham is a weekly shop ride leaving Peak Bike Hub in Burgundy Street Heidelberg each Wednesday at 6am. It's a 35km loop out to Research via Bonds Road, Old Eltham Road, through back streets near Monsolvat and Mt Pleasant Road. It returns via Warrandyte – Research Rd, Main Road, Old Eltham Road and Bonds Road.

The route has several regroup points (typically after the climbs) and returns you to Heidelberg for coffee by 7:30am. It's probably one of the hardest sub 2 hour training rides around Melbourne with over 600m of climbing, mostly in the leg out to Research.

A profile of the ride is here: http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/australia/heidelb…

Will Walker did the ride recently and he was so impressive!

I love cars and I love hooning.
I’ve done the race driving courses, well experienced and I’m ‘well in control’.
If you’ve got a powerful car, what’s better than a burnout, a donut or a power slide???
It used to be that you could do this late at night in an industrial estate – a deserted piece of road.
Would that be safer and less risk to the public than the HR?
But now, if someone was to take down my rego the car gets impounded…….
Identification, that’s the difference, lose your anonymity and attitudes change.

Registration for bikes, that's where the HR is taking us: everyone tows the line.
What, you can’t spend one more dollar on your hobby/sport…..too much invested in parts and kit??
Free licence plates that hang from your seat – visible to the driver who’s mirror you just knocked off…….
Visible when you run a red light, ride past pedestrians on the footpath, take up the second lane when 9 wide, etc, etc……..

FREE plates, compulsory to be worn by any bicycle on the street.
One for each of your bikes.
Vicroads can mail these to us based on our driver licence and vehicle registration detail they hold – no inconvenience to us what so ever.
In future, as a start up point……cut the 6 year olds some slack, these can be issued to people when they apply for a learner drivers permit.
Everyone’s in the system…………….everyone is identifiable and can be held responsible for their actions.
People do these stupid things because they think they can’t get caught, anonymity allows us to flaunt the rules.

CT, I think this would make an interesting debate, I’d like to hear everyone’s for and against?

Robert Merkel; thank you for you veiw, and I genuinely take them on board for my future road use. I guess I have never thought of myself as a group leader/rolemodel of the HR. And after some of my own very dangerous actions over the years on the HR in my late teens early twenties, I would be a huge hypocrite to be now preaching to the group on the do's and don'ts. But as on of the older riders in the racing community, i'm guessing it's about time I reaccess my position within the groups I ride.

some1s_lucky; I'm not sure how posting this in bragging? “LSD_SNR This is the end result of this mornings crash. Looks 4-6 weeks in a sling until the break & chips heal. :( http://tweetphoto.com/20597166“ But thank you for following me, now I really feel special :)

It is sad to say it, but being the “Nanny state” (the buzz word at the moment ) that we are becoming due to people not taking responsibilty for themselves and their actions on others and the major fact that people are now more willing to blame others when things go wrong.

Politicians will pander to the electorates and I can see cyclists being a way of raising tax revenue at the same time as they the Polis are seen to be cleaning up the cycling fraternity.

It will happen with more people riding and less people smoking who is going to pay the taxes when the accounts don't balance. The good ol days will be slowly eroded, not today but it will happen.

I can feel it in my water!

I know you're probably being ironic, but if less people smoked and more rode bicycles, my bet is the budget would benefit because (much) less money will be needed for health services and hospitals.

I disagree Fyx, and I think this is not some “we're becoming a nanny state” argument. I have seen your pics/stuff about the hoon laws and morons crashing and know that you've put a bit more thought into it than some.

The difference here is really well put by Dave Sharp down below – you don't see PRO's in other sports carrying on their training into the public like the Wallabies practising tackling on the footpath. Lewis Hamilton doing a burnout outside the GP track made him look like a complete little flog, not an experienced professional driver, and he was roundly criticised. I have 'been involved' (read in a blue with) with some AFL footballers 'skylarking' who similarly started a bumping excercise in a bar for fun. Not fun.

The issue here is the impact on the 'view' of all cyclists as a result, and the potential for accidents within the peleton and pedestrians. The Hell Ride is basically no-rules racing on a public road with the public and other riders at risk.

Here are the facts that I have found:
Deaths on Victoria's roads have fallen by almost a third in a decade, while motorcycle and pedestrian fatalities show smaller declines.

In 2009, 290 people died on the state's roads, a fall of 29 per cent from 407 in 2000. Driver deaths were down 27 per cent, and passenger fatalities fell dramatically by 47 per cent. The death rate for motorcyclists fell by 17 per cent and pedestrian deaths dipped just 15 per cent.

The greatest percentage fall was among cyclists. Only six bicycle riders were killed on the state's roads in 2009, down 54 per cent from 13 deaths in 2000.

Seems to me that legislation, advertising, etc all contribute, because this decrease can't be a result of people saying “ahh, I get the message..”. Obviously if a group is unregulated, behaves badly and mostly doesn't even see its actions as bad, then it is unlikely to solve its own problems.

I am happy to have 40 km/hr speed limits near schools etc even though I think I am a safe driver and can be trusted, it's just those other muppets…This almost becomes a character test, I prefer to think if I saw something wrong I would say or do something, not just sit there continuing to be involved and saying later “meh, what you gonna do ey?”. I recently was in a meeting at work when a moron told a racist joke and I arc'd up, while others sat by and just kept their mouths shut. I could have walked and said that I wasn't the one, it was others.

There seem to be some really easy answers here, Priestie has listed a few. The most obvious one seems to be the Clubs acting more than just talking. Get one of the reps along near the end. Not hard. You can't disguise a rider and his/her bike very easily, they will turn up on it at the next club race and risk the embarassment of a warning or club sanction. After a few random visits the Hell Ride would either drop off or be back under some control.

I guess a positive here is that there are now lots of cyclists, and many actually give a toss.

yes I was being ironic.

True it would benefit the budget but what would the lead time be before a reduction in the cost of health care could be made? as I am sure the effects of smoking don't stop today even if everyone who does did.

My main point being, I just dont want to live or bring my children up in an envirionment where theirs, mine and society's freedom is being over controlled/regulated and is turned into something I don't recognise or want.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned naughty boy?

Rego is the way forward. Yes its more money out of my pocket but 1)darwin award nominees will be able to be held accountable for riding like dickheads, and 2) drvers will have one less thing to bitch about, meaning more of a foothold for us. Oh and registration for smokers (hoike spit!) while we're at it.

All your experience and you show up to this mayhem – idiot. As long as decent or halfway decent riders are dumb enough to show up, encouraging this stupid behaviour to continue, you deserve what you get. Your experience counts for nothing.

Chillax here, a bit over the top methinks.

Sounds like the crash could have happened in any bunch that was travelling fast, and anyway the guy's hit the road at speed so have some sympathy. I saw one this morning near the marina on Beach Road, young guy in TFM gear got a bit excited and went down in a little sprint with 2 mates. I don't recall riding past and spitting on him like you are doing..

I agree the Hell Ride is stupid, and very negative on the rest of cyclists bespecially on Beach Road, but there's no need to get personal. He's probably lost some income as well, maybe even put a scare through his wife/kids. Chillax I say.

Don't know you, but I hope you're feeling better soon lsdsnr.

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Car registration's main purpose is not for compliance to road regulations. The identification possible from plates is a “bonus”. Car registration exists for the purpose of administering TAC premiums.

The potential for bicycles to cause damage and harm is negligible compared to motor vehicles. As such bicycle registration will never happen. The cost of administering it will be higher than the insurance premiums. It would be as effective as a cat flap in an elephant house and as pointless as translating how to learn French into French.

I agree that compliance needs to be enforced but there are bigger fish to catch so to speak. I don't believe that cycling compliance will be seriously tackled until the motor vehicles road toll drops significantly to warrant a shift in resources.

Rego plates on bikes so morons can identify me when Im out minding my own business and report me to the police as some kind of joke. No thanks.

Hi Jack D,

A bogun – no. Trawling – yes.
Trying to fizz things up – Guilty as charged.

Please do not take my comments too seriously. Apologies for any offence.

Am a serious rider from Tasmania. The debate here between riders and drivers is contantly
in the newspaper. I'm just a bit tired of hearing riders complain. (Not that you were)

But yes, you are right. Bad riding spoils it for every other rider.

Mez

“It would be as effective as a cat flap in an elephant house and as pointless as translating how to learn French into French”
Brilliant, I am officially going to steal these phrases, use them and take the credit. :D

hr gets lots of bad press (especially in the press) from this comes damage to our image and rights to ride our bikes on the road without muppet car drivers thinking that endangering our life is ok as long as it gets them home a few seconds quicker. Nth rd ride ( and others) happens on beach rd (and other roads) heading in the direction that a large percentage of car drivers are heading on their way to earn a living. Have any you guys ever tied to pass one of these training rides on your way to work, I'm just wondering weather the hr would damage our image if it wasn't getting the bad press seeing as its sat morning and the roads are relatively quiet compared to weekdays when people are trying to get to work. The real problem I reckon is large bunches not the hell ride. Dont ride in big bunches, I know its fun coz I've done it, but these days I hook up with a few friends, go for a ride, in our sat morn bunch going fast is frowned upon and has a truce up to a certain point, where without fail the jolly roger goes up, as it should. and its first back to the coffee shop that gets his order last,

'cos I'm a little scared of him…

I just brought my 8 year old a BMX for his birthday will he need a rego plate? How would it be regulated? Not a good idea.

I work in Road Safety, have done for 10 years here in Vic before moving down from NT. I have raced bikes for 15 yrs The will kill winter road racing as we know it! it only a matter of time. State and Local Govt Road Authorities watch this weekend madness and will use it to justify refusing legitimate road racing permits with traffic management plans. I know because that is my line of work and i fear that as a real road racer i am a lone voice for good amongst a growing bunch of Council, Vic Roads and Vic Pol anti-racing zealots.
We the real licensed road racers need to stand up and publicly advocate for change! not throw our hands up in the air and say its all too hard! How much do we love our sport and want to keep it? Join the AGF, Lobby Local Govt's to host legitimate road racing, and advise anyone who will listen that the HR has no cred, and where are the clubs enforcing their no HR stance to their own members. Sorry but I'm Tiffo and thats my humble opinion!

It wasn't who you think it is, we've had more than one Jelly Belly rider on the Hell Ride in recent times…

thanks leigh (lsdsnr). my facial injuries have largely healed since an unfortunate stack at black rock a couple of weeks ago. apart from my teeth (have had 4 trips to dentist so far, with more to come…) but that should hopefully get sorted eventually. by way of general comment, i think i'll probably re-evaluate my sat riding program now. another comment i would like to make is that everyone at the alfred hospital were fantastic and thanks to the other riders who helped out on beach rd after the crash as well.
jason

Create a website, link it to one of the many Victorian cycling forums, and take photos at the sprint points of the ride, upload them to the site, and name and shame the riders to their respective clubs.

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Quoting myself regarding NRR helmet cam: “That bunch… riding that sloppy is really dangerous and could get someone badly hurt (how many ambulances on hell ride and nrr in the past three years?). I don't want a part in that. And if you are a competent, sensible bike racer/rider, but you're caught up in something on those rides, well you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, right? Yeah, exactly, those rides are the wrong place to be if you want to stay safe. Something needs to change for those rides to become safe again. I don't know what. “

Just suspend racing licenses for three months if you're on that ride…

Dicko or Clarke?

I'd bank on the latter

You’d have to be a knob to wear a pro kit in an amatuer training ride anyway…even more of a knob(if thats possible!) wearing a Jelly Belly Kit….

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